tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-142743152971096915.post4606268076962972959..comments2023-10-05T04:44:25.174-05:00Comments on Addiction Inbox: 7 Myths the Alcohol Industry Wants You to BelieveDirk Hansonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07429793255785560043noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-142743152971096915.post-66255663748959615702017-02-12T17:45:32.698-06:002017-02-12T17:45:32.698-06:00Love this post! There are so many myths about alco...Love this post! There are so many myths about alcohol that have been created by the industry leaders. Alcohol consumption is seen as "healthy" and "normal" and disregards all of the scientific studies about how detrimental it is to one's health. Most people believe that red wine is good for you because of the "antioxidants" in the red wine. What they fail to mention is that alcohol is toxic to your body and undoes any "good" that the wine gives. Instead, if one wanted to actually reap the real benefits of antioxidants, you would instead just eat fruit or vegetables. New studies also reveal that older studies that say wine is good for you disregard the correlational relationship between wine and lifestyle. Wine is generally consumed by the wealthier who eat and take better care of themselves. Therefore, it is the "wine lifestyle" (aka more wealthier and more health conscious) that is healthier versus the beer and nachos lifestyle (generally middle/lower class). <br />http://amandajbarnett.weebly.com/<br />ajbarnetthttp://amandajbarnett.weebly.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-142743152971096915.post-90946847944282611792015-09-21T11:19:31.878-05:002015-09-21T11:19:31.878-05:00Point here is that NOT consuming alcohol is also &...Point here is that NOT consuming alcohol is also "normal," "common" and "healthy." In fact, the notion that moderate drinking is good for your heart has been seriously weakened by recent research. No doctor is ever going to tell you to drink alcohol for the good of your overall health.Dirk Hansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07429793255785560043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-142743152971096915.post-59236558456966905692015-09-21T00:11:47.408-05:002015-09-21T00:11:47.408-05:00@DJ--technically sunlight is a carcinogen as well....@DJ--technically sunlight is a carcinogen as well. Remember when you first learned about skin cancer? Does that mean nobody should ever go out in the sun?<br /><br />To stick with that analogy, there is a big difference between walking around in broad daylight, or going to the beach having taken the appropriate precautions by wearing sunscreen, and being a tanning fanatic. <br /><br />As for whether or not alcohol consumption is "normal," "common," or "healthy," does anybody here seriously intend to tell me that having a glass of wine with dinner once or twice a week is not "normal," "common," or "healthy"? (I will concede here that most good wines are not advertised and trade primarily on reputation.)Rednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-142743152971096915.post-33507080210544353922015-05-17T21:03:23.394-05:002015-05-17T21:03:23.394-05:00Alcohol is ruining the lives of my family.Alcohol is ruining the lives of my family.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-142743152971096915.post-23943764789884204182014-12-30T16:20:07.676-06:002014-12-30T16:20:07.676-06:00Don't impose a prohibition law on me. I choose...Don't impose a prohibition law on me. I choose to drink red wine and beer in moderation. It's not your call to prohibit me from that.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18419969578213439396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-142743152971096915.post-55780041630490424192011-08-28T13:48:44.698-05:002011-08-28T13:48:44.698-05:0062% of the British population had a drink in the l...62% of the British population had a drink in the last week before this questionnaire in 2010:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/may/26/alcohol-consumption-statistics" rel="nofollow">The Grauniad report, so may be a little dyslexic.</a>Patnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-142743152971096915.post-37164764600114977952011-08-27T23:49:20.296-05:002011-08-27T23:49:20.296-05:00I can't believe someone tried to argue alcohol...I can't believe someone tried to argue alcohol wasn't harmful. It is a carcinogen. It damages liver cells. It damages brain cells. Many of the age-related declines of cognitive function are actually caused by, or accelerated by, long-term low to moderate levels of drinking. Two beer a week over a 10-year period is enough to cause a measurable and significant decrease on IQ and other mental performance tests.<br /><br />You want to drink, fine, but don't be in denial and don't spread your denial-type meme hat alcohol isn't harmful when drunk in moderation. <br /><br />By the way, I think caffeine is another drug that is socially acceptable. If you can't function without your coffee to start your day, and if you go into withdrawal when you can't get it, you have a drug problem. Just because it is a socially acceptable drug problem, does not change the fact you have a drug problem. At least be honest about that too.Dan Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12732509347477810998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-142743152971096915.post-74360885304640368392011-08-27T03:56:13.943-05:002011-08-27T03:56:13.943-05:00I think this is a very good point you made:
I not...I think this is a very good point you made:<br /><br />I note here that it’s left to the social service agencies and non-profits to attempt to convey the opposite side of the coin: a dramatically heightened risk for health problems, traffic fatalities, domestic violence, loss of job, loss of marriage, suicide—you name it.<br /><br />People often feel uncomfortable when they don't fit into the norm in family gatherings and social situations and this is part of why drinking is seductive.<br /><br />DeeDee-Addiction Recovery Interviewshttp://www.addictionrecoveryinterviews.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-142743152971096915.post-40670288030401625622011-08-26T23:37:06.657-05:002011-08-26T23:37:06.657-05:00Kendall:
Believe it or not, there is a scientif...Kendall: <br /><br />Believe it or not, there is a scientific consensus about the health effects of moderate drinking. There reason some might think otherwise is that the liquor lobby's PR has done its best to make it look like the evidence was all over the place. Their highly credentialed surrogates insinuate themselves into news stories, providing a "balanced" response, often without revealing their source of income. Putting it simply, it does appear that low to moderate doses of ethyl alcohol can reduce the incidence of coronary heart disease and ischemic stroke. However, if you are drinking enough to create these effects, you will also put yourself at risk for numerous other ailments, including cancer, liver disease, and hemorrhagic stroke. Going over that very low amount will erase whatever protective effect it might have. All these effects at these moderate levels of consumption are small. <br /><br />The real danger of moderate drinking is addiction. You might not believe that moderate drinking sometimes leads to addiction, but the scientific consensus (you're the one who is interested in this stuff) is that it does. A majority of users suffer no serious adverse effects, but a substantial minority have a devastating problem. Nobody starts out thinking that they're going to become an alcoholic. They start out drinking moderately. In this way it is no different from cocaine or heroin. <br /><br />Also, the scientific consensus is that the kinds of policies that Dirk was mentioning -- taxation, stepped-up enforcement, restrictions on advertising, etc. -- do make a difference. None of them put an end to alcohol problems, but epidemiological studies show that they do make a difference. Another sign that they work -- more persuasive to me -- is that the alcohol lobby is fighting against them whenever they are proposed. <br /><br />Also, it should be pointed out that ads work not solely or primarily through direct claims, but by image and suggestion. Instead of directly making a claim that drinking beer will make you sexy, they should you an ad with sexy people in a sexy situation with sexy music in the background. Instead of directly stating that beer is good for your health, they show you healthy, vigorous young people engaged in athletic activities.rachelrachelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-142743152971096915.post-78565013804395650472011-08-26T23:13:07.955-05:002011-08-26T23:13:07.955-05:00Snowdon:
I'm not sure where you're gett...Snowdon: <br /><br />I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers. According to the WHO studies, the UK has a rate of 12.2% total lifetime abstainers, defined as the percentage of the population over 15 years who have never consumed alcohol in their lifetime. CURRENT abstainers will obviously be a lot higher than that. Your 89% figure of people in your country who drink is too high. <br /><br />http://chartsbin.com/view/1027<br /><br />Also, among European countries Norway and Sweden have for quite a few years had among the lowest rates of alcohol consumption. This appears to still be true, with 7.8 liters per person per year and 10.3 liters, respectively, I think the two lowest figures (aside from Turkey) in continental Europe. High compared to the rest of the world (Europe being the heaviest drinking region), but low compared to the rest of Europe. They certainly do not have anything close to the highest drinking rates. <br /><br />http://chartsbin.com/view/1016<br /><br />I think your numbers are bad.rachelrachelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-142743152971096915.post-71263629846148398462011-08-25T10:50:09.279-05:002011-08-25T10:50:09.279-05:00What is it the liquor industry hopes to learn from...What is it the liquor industry hopes to learn from Big Tobacco, if not more efficient ways of evading heath regulations.seo affiliate programhttp://www.econsultingnetwork.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-142743152971096915.post-4663105687149251012011-08-24T01:10:55.722-05:002011-08-24T01:10:55.722-05:00Kitten Evil:
This should help. Check out "dec...Kitten Evil:<br />This should help. Check out "deconstructing alcohol ads."<br /><br />http://www.frankwbaker.com/alcoholdeconstruction.htmDirk Hansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07429793255785560043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-142743152971096915.post-7144752089376345102011-08-24T01:05:21.152-05:002011-08-24T01:05:21.152-05:00Don't take my reporting for it. Check for your...Don't take my reporting for it. Check for yourself: Here's a PDF stuffed full of pages of comment letters received by the Federal Trade Commission relating to sleazy, duplicitious, false and misleading alcohol advertising:<br /><br />www.marininstitute.org/site/images/stories/pdfs/discus_responses.pdfDirk Hansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07429793255785560043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-142743152971096915.post-30874927887656334182011-08-24T00:58:46.876-05:002011-08-24T00:58:46.876-05:00You're confused. I didn't call them myths....You're confused. I didn't call them myths. The European Alcohol Policy Alliance called them myths, and I reported it.Dirk Hansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07429793255785560043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-142743152971096915.post-14249189355082481452011-08-23T23:06:20.364-05:002011-08-23T23:06:20.364-05:00Interesting article. The statistics you gave are s...Interesting article. The statistics you gave are startling and does make your point that it is in the industries' best interest to encourage heavy drinking which is outrageous. Not sure if they have the same products in Europe, but I am also concerned about the new products mixing energy type drinks with alcohol to sell to the kids. They seem very dangerous.Cathy | Treatment Talkhttp://treatmenttalk.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-142743152971096915.post-10437142096831367092011-08-23T18:41:36.258-05:002011-08-23T18:41:36.258-05:00I am still gonna drink beer.I am still gonna drink beer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-142743152971096915.post-50909310046293676332011-08-23T16:48:10.986-05:002011-08-23T16:48:10.986-05:00While I'm perfectly sure that alcohol companie...While I'm perfectly sure that alcohol companies can be just as sociopathic as any other large company (including, yes, tobacco companies) and are surely keen to avoid regulation, I have to admit to being seriously unconvinced by some of the points here. Let's take them point by point:<br /><br /><b>Message 1: Consuming alcohol is normal, common, healthy, and very responsible.</b><br />First up, where are the ads that say this? I don't recall seeing them. Secondly, Snowdon is right, alcohol consumption is very common in the target markets. I'm not so sure he's right about the health benefits though, the evidence on the health effects of moderate alcohol consumption seem to be all over the place. Call me back when there's scientific consensus.<br /><br /><b>Message 2: The damage done by alcohol is caused by a small group of deviants who cannot handle alcohol.</b><br />Yeah, I'm happy with this one. The message that you drink 'responsibly' does seem tailor made to shift the blame onto the victims here. Exhortations to 'enjoy in moderation' are perhaps not so bad though.<br /><br /><b>Message 3: Normal adult non-drinkers do not, in fact, exist.</b><br />Well, obviously the ads all feature people using the product. If non-drinkers were being portrayed negatively in alcohol ad, that'd be a very different matter.<br />Oh, and I'd also guess that non-drinkers (and light drinkers) are seen more as an opportunity to expand the market than as a threat.<br /><br /><b>Message 4: Ignore the fact that alcohol is a harmful and addictive chemical substance (ethanol) for the body.</b><br />Oh dear, chemophobia. I'd expect higher standards from a scientific blog. You are aware that everything you drink is chemicals, right? Even water (AKA oxidane, chemical formula H₂O).<br />As for "harmful and addictive", I'm going to suggest that (as for most toxicants) dosage matters. That is, unless you can produce decent evidence that moderate alcohol usage leads to addiction or significant harm.<br /><br /><b>Message 5: Alcohol problems can only be solved when all parties work together.</b><br />Wouldn't really expect to see this message in the ads, but I'm sure they push this one behind the scenes. I can't really think of any industry that wouldn't prefer to be self-'regulating' (worked out real well for the banks, didn't it?</snark>).<br />I am slightly baffled about the meaning of the phrase "prohibition of the illegitimate sale of alcohol". It strikes me as being either tautological or worryingly open-ended. You wouldn't happen to know which it is, would you?<br /><br /><b>Message 6: "Alcohol marketing is not harmful. It is simply intended to assist the consumer in selecting a certain product or brand."</b><br />Snowdon's right, there's no reason they wouldn't fight over pieces of the pie. But he's also wrong, teenagers are entering the potential market constantly and represent a chance to pick up new customers. Quite a lucrative market too, if my memories of my misspent youth are anything to go by.<br />Restricting or even banning advertising does seem to be the most practical suggestion here, since there's no real downside. It's harmful if it does work, and wasteful if it doesn't.<br /><br /><b>Message 7: “Education about responsible use is the best method to protect society from alcohol problems.”</b><br />Well, my objection to the word 'responsible' stands, and 'best' might be going too far, but I do think that giving people the tools to make an informed choice is generally a good idea, yes.Kendallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285798631553348718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-142743152971096915.post-59090548244499141822011-08-23T14:20:17.833-05:002011-08-23T14:20:17.833-05:00These are 'myths' only in the sense that y...These are 'myths' only in the sense that you call them myths.<br /><br />A better title might have been "7 Opinions I Don't Share With the Alcohol Industry."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-142743152971096915.post-8652766830516081422011-08-23T12:57:19.701-05:002011-08-23T12:57:19.701-05:00Dirk, I haven't seen any ads that contradict S...Dirk, I haven't seen any ads that contradict Snowdon's rebuttal. Could you please share them?Kitten Evilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08175811963147516937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-142743152971096915.post-49457249770585763532011-08-22T10:46:51.883-05:002011-08-22T10:46:51.883-05:00I think these very cogent and interesting rebuttal...I think these very cogent and interesting rebuttals would carry more weight with me if I had not, in fact, viewed many of the ads in question. And what is it the liquor industry hopes to learn from Big Tobacco, if not more efficient ways of evading heath regulations....Dirk Hansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07429793255785560043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-142743152971096915.post-18272848860068787652011-08-22T09:43:53.878-05:002011-08-22T09:43:53.878-05:00Message 1: Consuming alcohol is normal, common, he...Message 1: Consuming alcohol is normal, common, healthy, and very responsible.<br /><br />Alcohol is drunk by 89% of people where I live (UK) and has been around in every non-Islamic civilisation in history. Perhaps you have a different definition of 'normal' and 'common' than me. The industry never says drinking is healthy or 'very responsible', although there are health benefits.<br /><br />Message 2: The damage done by alcohol is caused by a small group of deviants who cannot handle alcohol.<br /><br />The industry has never said that the problem is caused by 'bad people' or 'deviants'. Most of the damage done in terms of violence and health is, however, caused by a minority.<br /><br />Message 3: Normal adult non-drinkers do not, in fact, exist.<br /><br />Straw man. Neither the industry nor anyone else has ever said this.<br /><br />Message 4: Ignore the fact that alcohol is a harmful and addictive chemical substance (ethanol) for the body.<br /><br />This isn't a statement, but alcohol is neither harmful nor addictive to the majority of drinkers.<br /><br />Message 5: Alcohol problems can only be solved when all parties work together.<br /><br />Alcohol problems cannot be solved, period. So long as there is drink, there will be drink problems. Prohibition and neo-prohibitionist policies increase the harm.<br /><br />Message 6: "Alcohol marketing is not harmful. It is simply intended to assist the consumer in selecting a certain product or brand."<br /><br />In established markets, advertisers primarily work to take market share from their competitors. The industry is not monolithic, but made up of rival companies competing for customers. Bans and limitations on alcohol advertising in the last century have made no difference to overall consumption.<br /><br />Message 7: “Education about responsible use is the best method to protect society from alcohol problems.”<br /><br />Compared to the solutions you propose, this is true. The countries with the highest alcohol taxes, such as the UK, Ireland and Scandinavia, have some of the highest drinking rates.Christopher Snowdonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-142743152971096915.post-66712529775108167472011-08-22T08:07:01.567-05:002011-08-22T08:07:01.567-05:00Great post, thanks. The industry has clearly learn...Great post, thanks. The industry has clearly learned from the demise of tobacco (see the book Doubt is Their Product) and is playing a long and careful game. In the UK they are now sitting on the government board that regulates alcohol harm, and research sponsored by the industry is carefully maintaining the myth that it is always the user and never the product that is to blame. fyi my own Gargle Nation article http://www.garglenation.com/2011/03/teenage-deaths-rise-is-alcohol.html looks at the failures of self regulation.Gargle Nationhttp://www.garglenation.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-142743152971096915.post-81280744512516405732011-08-21T18:19:55.107-05:002011-08-21T18:19:55.107-05:00Don't ya love it. The only industry in the wor...Don't ya love it. The only industry in the world whose advertising spend is specifically designed NOT to increase sales of their product.Dirk Hansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07429793255785560043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-142743152971096915.post-61789632916523239902011-08-21T17:41:07.794-05:002011-08-21T17:41:07.794-05:00Oh, and this is priceless: "the industry cont...Oh, and this is priceless: "the industry continues to flatly and publicly deny that advertising stimulates alcohol consumption." Do tell, then, what is the return on investment for that big 'ole marketing budget?? Is it a humanitarian effort to preserve the world from the harmful effects of empty billboards?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-142743152971096915.post-60418246871393563262011-08-21T17:09:03.093-05:002011-08-21T17:09:03.093-05:00Yeah, it's astonishing when you twig to that f...Yeah, it's astonishing when you twig to that fact. I used to wonder why the liquor business bothered with low-end products like Night Train and Thunderbird until I realized they were specifically designed as cheap products for late-stage alcoholics....Dirk Hansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07429793255785560043noreply@blogger.com